So, I got another barrage of hate mail from the Bukti Negara people (expected, but I still was a little surprised) and as usual they beat their chests over how I had misunderstood them, and how they had been wronged by the entire Silat community, especially those of us here in the Pacific Northwest. I, being Bobbe Edmonds and all, called bullshit on them and said a few lovely retorts befitting a man of my acerbic, irreverent and often painfully truthful wit.
They responded by offering me a plane ticket to "Fight some real PDT instructors, face to face" (Like, how else would you fight them? Back to back? Eeeww, nebber mind, don't answer that) which I readily accepted. And, befitting the Bukti Negara organization, they withdrew the offer like everything else they have ever put on the table.
For those of you just joining us, the base conflict here is that I practice an Indonesian martial art called "Pencak Silat". This is similar to saying I train "Kung Fu", there are hundreds of individual STYLES of Pencak Silat, the same way as there are many styles of cooking. One of the styles I am intimately familiar with is called "Sera".
We begin our tale here.
"Sera" has a few different legends of origin. Two are from the Dutch-Indo tag team known as the DeThouars brothers, namely Paul and Victor, and a more stellar pair of con men you will never find. The web is rife with tales of betrayal, backstabbing, lying, false rank and all sorts of horrific mud-slinging the likes of which have not been seen since God hosted a "Who's most righteous" party for all the religions in the world.
As martial artists, there are many people whom I respect that claim these men have some formidable skill, or at least did back in the day. So this perhaps has some merit.
As human beings they lack a certain, I dunno...PULSE??
But we are speaking of martial arts.
There are base similarities in the arts called "Sera" and "Serak", so many in fact that it is generally accepted that we are speaking of the same thing. Not everybody agrees with this statement of course, but the truth of it is there for those with eyes unclouded to see. To generalize, "Sera" is the Indonesian term, and "Serak" is Dutch-Indo.
The discrepancies have spawned more than a few flame wars, old emails and posts being brought up and flung in everyones face, many people who have received rank in earlier times have been later referred to as "jokes", that they never really knew anything at all. Paul has said a few things over the years that have boomeranged around to bite him square on the ass years later, his latest story is that "Serak" means "To Struggle". Victor claims that it was the name of a one-eyed, one-armed, flying purple people...Whoops, sorry, wrong guy. He says it was an Indonesian who had a club foot and only one arm.
There are several Indonesian sides of the story, one of which seems the most plausible to me being that of a Chinese woman who brought a system of Kung Fu from Madura somewhere, and the locals blended it with Silat. Where "Sera" the word itself comes from (or actually means) is still a mystery.
Now this is where the story gets interesting: In Indonesia, Sera is no big thing. Just another style in a melting pot of Silat. In fact, it's pretty small in the bigger Silat picture.
Here in America it has become a kind of Martial Arts fable, a thing that MIGHT be pretty good, but it's surrounded by secrecy, oaths, lies, disrespect, double-talk and a myriad of other maladies. (See the above "Con Men" reference for detailed information about who is responsible for that). I trained the art under the younger brother, Victor, for a few years, and I can say firsthand that something is rotten in the state of Denmark. This tale is far too long for me to summarize, do a Google search for Serak, DeThouars, PDT Academy, VDT Academy and read it for yourself, if you have an interest.
As for who is right, honestly, there's no real way of knowing, the whole thing's about as twisted and impenetrable as a granite octopus, and trying to bring resolution to the matter only stirs the pot more.
Today I received an email from one of the flame-mongers who think they are carrying the banner of the ONE TRUE CROSS. And let me say here and now babies, it made my head go "ping" like a Monty Python sketch.
If I needed any more proof that otherwise rational human beings could be utterly hypnotized by a cult of personality (I don't but if I did) all I need in terms of proof lies in the email I received below. My answers follow it.
I am not a troll, I ask a legitimate question.
You have your own school, with a valid list of martial arts. What I do not understand is why you have to call what your doing Serak, when its not? I would not call what I am doing Karate because I am not doing Karate. You would not call Kali JuJitsu, because they are clearly different. So why would you call it something its not? Thats not good for the community, and all it does is create division. You don't see that? If you believe what you have is Serak, then it would make sense to fly down here and see a true Serak stylist in person, directed right under the Champion of the system of Serak, Pendekar Paul. When you see that what your doing is not the same as what Paul is teaching, your eyes will be open and clear. There are a lot of misconceptions on the net, but seeing is believing. So when you see real Serak in person and realize its way different, what will you do? Either Paul De. Th. is right, or you are right. Which one do you think is right? Paul is the Pendekar of the Serak system. The head of it, on earth. There are no others that are above his authority in this matter. So if anyone claims Serak and its not what Paul does, its obviously not Serak. Thats obvious. If one denies this obvious truth, then they lie to themselves and disgrace the art of Serak. Its that simple.
>"I am not a troll, I ask a legitimate question."<
You ARE a Troll. You and your ilk from PDT. I had no argument with ANY of you until you showed up on my Youtube site calling my art fake, ESPECIALLY whoever EntertheBukti is, sent me emails saying the undisputed genius of Pencak Silat, Pendekar Herman Suwanda was a fake, and I didn't know what I was doing when I have been training for over two and a half DECADES now in Southeast Asian Martial Arts. I have erased over a dozen negative messages, and lately I have finally started firing back. Nobody asked you to stick your neck out, but if you do anyway don't start crying because someone lopped it off. You asked for it. No, fuck that, you fucking BEGGED for it, on both knees.
>"You have your own school, with a valid list of martial arts. What I do not understand is why you have to call what your doing Serak, when its not? I would not call what I am doing Karate because I am not doing Karate. You would not call Kali JuJitsu, because they are clearly different. So why would you call it something its not?"<
I don't call it "Serak", to me the word "Serak" is made-up, and furthermore has nothing but bad feelings and negativity attached to it because of your teacher and his brothers. What I do is called "Pencak Silat", and it's from a country called "
>"Thats not good for the community, and all it does is create division. You don't see that?"<
I'm not the one creating division here, kid. You people do this EVERY TIME someone surfaces with any skill and displays it. I have seen it from your school for YEARS, and if Paul was a real Pendekar he wouldn't ever have allowed it to get this far. The onus of responsibility lies with you and your school.
>"If you believe what you have is Serak, then it would make sense to fly down here and see a true Serak stylist in person, directed right under the Champion of the system of Serak, Pendekar Paul."<
Uh-huh. I've MET true champions, kid. I've lived in
I'm not impressed by any of them. The brothers are solely responsible for the majority of the problems in Pencak Silat
>"When you see that what your doing is not the same as what Paul is teaching, your eyes will be open and clear."<
They already are open, I'm light-years away from you people. I do SERA, and it's from
>"There are a lot of misconceptions on the net,"<
Yeah, take a wild stab at who started that. And continues to propagate it.
>"...but seeing is believing. So when you see real Serak in person and realize its way different, what will you do? Either Paul De. Th. is right, or you are right. Which one do you think is right?"<
I've seen him. Unlike you (or ANYBODY in your group) I've also trained it in
I'm right. The rest of you can get stuffed.
>"Paul is the Pendekar of the Serak system. The head of it, on earth."<
According to WHOM? Certainly not me.
>”There are no others that are above his authority in this matter.”<
Whoop-de-shit. Everybody else is beyond caring. You people are the ones who keep popping up on the radar.
>"So if anyone claims Serak and its not what Paul does, its obviously not Serak. Thats obvious. If one denies this obvious truth, then they lie to themselves and disgrace the art of Serak. Its that simple."<
I'm going to try a different tactic here. Try this, and see how it tastes:
Paul, and his family, have their version of things. They have also done horrific damage to the goodwill of Martial Artists everywhere, and created a bad name for themselves. Don't think I'm the only one seeing it, I'm just in a good position to voice it: I have nothing to lose.
I want you to consider what you guys are going to look like in five years. five years ago in 2003 the internet wars were in full swing, Victor was making his play for power in Serak and you guys were trying to convince everyone that Bukti was so much better than Serak. Look at how retarded this is, I'm not even a member of your respective groups, yet I know all the sordid details. It's all over the web for the world to read, almost all of it depicts the
Five years from now, where will your art and your reputation be? Things are much worse than you realize, and there’s a lot of information that is being held back from the public, but JUST BARELY. I had a good long conversation with yet another person who saw my videos last night, and they had a hell of a story to tell about Bukti-Serak-Paul etc. Lotta bad feelings out there, and a lot of just desserts waiting to be served.
And the
If you are so eager to just "Let things be" then stop waving the flag for Serak. Stop being this overwhelmingly negative force in the Silat community. Just train. I can assure you, none of us care to dispute you, most have no interest anyway. You will notice that I don't need to proclaim who I am, or what my lineage is in Sera, my technique speaks for itself. I don't want any "line to the title", I care nothing for such things, only good training. So, you do the same. Or, failing that, send me the ticket. That option is ALWAYS open, and let it be stated here and now that I readily accept. I'll match my technique against yours any day.
I will say one last thing on this: I feel a responsibility to both my teachers, living and dead, and my students, now and future. If I am going to teach, then I must educate myself continually to be the best instructor I can, and to give my students everything. I will never, EVER allow those who trained with me to slander other arts and practitioners, or badmouth former students, or deny that they could be as good as the ones I'm currently training. Look around the web. I've had dozens of students, most are still on excellent terms with me, why don't you see any of them jumping to my defense? BECAUSE I HAVE FORBIDDEN IT. I can fight my own battles, and I have instructed my students to speak in public only if they are prepared to assume full responsibility of their words by themselves. Do not defend me, it is my responsibility to defend myself.
And I will NEVER put my name on a piece of paper to promote rank as a joke, a test, a trick or a whim. If someone got rank from me, THEY EARNED IT. I know exactly who I have promoted & witnessed promotion to, and I meant every one. I only have three levels of rank, and I can tell you now that my standards are astronomical.
So there you have it. I'm quite sure you know who EntertheBukti is, you might want to have a talk with him as well since you are now having to go through the barrage of flames and insults that HE initiated. Unless you want to keep doing it.
Bobbe Edmonds
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C'mon Bobbe, don't hold back. Tell him (us) what you really think. No sugar coating it to make it go down easier....
*SIGH*
I know, I know...
Bobbe, I'm confused.
You said,
"There are base similarities in the arts called "Sera" and "Serak", so many in fact that it is generally accepted that we are speaking of the same thing. Not everybody agrees with this statement of course, but the truth of it is there for those with eyes unclouded to see."
And then you said,
"It has many hundreds of different versions of this art, and one of them ... is called "Sera". I have never claimed to do "Serak" "
To me this seems you are saying A = B, and I practice B, but I do not practice A. I don't understand.
Hey Irene, sorry for my bad journalism. See what happens when you blog angry? ;-))
To clarify, it is my personal belief that these two styles share the same root, however, the "Serak" version went one way and the "Sera" went another in terms of finite details. To wit, "Serak" is definitively more Dutch-Indonesian in influence and development while "Sera" is what it is called in Indonesia.
Now, the Dutch influenced version carries with it a truckload of baggage...Because no matter who you go to for instruction, there is a camp that exists solely for the purpose of putting you/your teacher down publicly. Lately, one of these groups has seen fit to extend their kind slander in my direction as well, even though I have been able to avoid them for most of my training career by sticking to the Indonesian version.
So, when I say I trained "Sera", I am speaking of the (for lack of a better term) Un-Dutch version. That's all. However, if you said "Well, isn't it all the same, really?" I would have to say yes, if pressed for an answer.
I don't know who you are Irene, or if you train Martial Arts at all, but if you were to compare the two arts side by side and look at the basics, you would probably be inclined to say they are sharing a common base. There are too many similarities, from country of origin to use of forms.
Also, if you're asking me this, it tells me I have posted one too many rants about martial arts. Probably time for me to get off this hate train and start getting this "Doorway to the Tangent Universe" back in business.
Let me know if I haven't explained things well enough, like I said in the post: The whole thing's about as twisted and impenetrable as a granite octopus.
Ungh...I still didn't like that explanation. If Steve Perry looks at this, he can explain it better, he's had to do it dozens of times before.
Paul used to say "In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king."
I suspect there is truth to this.
When no one ever heard of Silat one could claim just about anything about its history and origins. Then Americans started going to Indonesia and Malaysia and discovering the truth about such things. People who rely on one source of information will always be at a disadvantage when it comes to this sort of thing.
It's too bad. Paul was a superb martial artist back in the day. He never needed to claim anything, what he could do spoke for itself.
B
Kid --
You seem to have gotten a fair handle on it this time. (And Irene is one of ours, been training in silat for at least the last year or so? She and Edwin started at the same time. I dunno if you met her last time you were down. Shrimpy little thing about Tiel's size ...)
Paul added the "k" to 'Sera," which root word has several meanings, and which applies to what we do has been up for discussion as long as I've been around. Is is a raspy voice? An owl -- and wise? A shade of the color red? Sneaky?
Stealing back my downhomeism, it doesn't matter -- if your cat has kittens in the oven, that doesn't make them biscuits. The denominator doesn't change the essence.
Paul had the moves; still does for a man his age.
He was Victor's teacher, and Victor on his best day, which was long ago and far away, couldn't beat his older brother, and never got out of his shadow, which led to all kinds of sibling things.
From without, it certainly does not seem like a happy family. Currently, we are on the outs with all of the American brothers ...
Stevan Plinck was Paul's other seniormost student, got more hands-on training, and was, once-upon-a-happier-time, designated the lineage holder for Paul's art. Of course, the lineage holders in Serak/Bukti/Tongkat change more often than a herd of strippers do their clothes ...
My version of the art's Dutch-Indo history is on Guru's website: http://www.pencaksilat.com/history.html
Admittedly, this reads something like Roger Zelazny's non-sectarian prayer in Creatures of Light and Darkness, in that I was careful to avoid stepping on too many toes when I wrote it, but the essence of it was the best I could do. Nobody knows what the the truth is, and past a certain point, it doesn't matter anyhow. Either you have the art and can fight or you can't -- certificates, history, what color your sarong is -- everything else is window-dressing.
Essentially, there was Sera, which was shaded into Serak, which up here in the Great Northwest woods, has been further developed into Plinck-style Sera. Even though Stevan won't say so, I will: From what I've seen of the mother and grandmother arts, the child is more robust and capable.
Those players from the DeThours lineages who have come to play in our house have not, as far as I have been able to tell, left feeling superior; if they did, it was surely due to hallucination, because they surely didn't demonstrate superiority ...
If Bukti has changed since I was learning it ten years and some back, has gotten better, I suspect it is because it is adding back in the Sera(k) techniques that were stripped out to make it palatable for Paul to teach it to round-eyes in the first place. I dunno if it has come full circle, but that's the road it seems to be on ...
Can you imagine the clusterfuck that will ensue when Paul dies? I know most Bukti people think that he's immortal, but it's bound to happen someday.
Hi Bobbe !
What an mess eh? Interesting logic....It seems you have to be wrong "because he says so" ! And logic dictates if you were to see the differences in methodology you will, logically be compelled to say you're wrong ....hee, hee. Our sera method comes from legitimate sources in Indonesia that never claimed to teach what the DeThouars teach. But, someone liking or not liking what we do or how we do it doesn't invalidate it in combat or mean our training is illegitimate. This is just the typical Martial Art political garbage. If my art is good , it does NOT have to mean others folk's arts are bad. When will people figure this simple truth out. These "there can be only one" types wear me out. We all have real enemies we prepare to fight: rapist, home invaders, muggers, terrorists, the criminal element in general,etc , etc......but if we are all trying to protect ourselves from the truely "bad" people , why are so many martial artists acting as if their real concern in the martial arts is a student of a different martial art or merely a different martial art school?? This need to attack people who merely embrace a different philosophy or methodology in order to protect themselves is nonsensical. They are not focused on hurting you, so , what's the issue and why? This all amounts to the same thing as three hand gunners arguing over which ammo is good for self defense: 45acp,.357 or 44 magnum. All work! If I were to say only .357 works , does that mean getting hit with .45 or .44 mag will have no effect?? It's all nonsense and some folks seem to build a huge portion of their martial art world around these pointless arguments. Really, if someone hates what you do to protect yourself , they should just practice something different and not worry about what you do. Maybe these folks have nothing very important in their lives and world to occupy their attention.....
This is the aspect of martial arts culture that puts a lot of folks off I think....and wears a lot of us out.
Drop me a note sometime : Tigerdude3@juno.com
Doc D
Bobbe, I think the reason you don't like that explanation is because you didn't simplify quite enough. Let me take a stab at it. Feel free to delete/edit/mod out this post if it is redundant to others waiting in the queue.
Sera and Serak, (As I understand it), likely share a common ancestor. Serak is the name commonly used for the Dutch-Indonesian branch of evolution and Sera is the name commonly used for the Indonesian branch.
There is a different flavor to the movements in each branch and some portions are quite different, but many of the root movements are similar to a trained eye. This is what leads us to believe that there is a common ancestor.
That said we have no way to know for certain. We do not possess a time machine and neither PDT, VDT, nor any of the rest of us alive now where there. All that really matters is what we train and how well it works for us. All else is just historical debate.
>"Shrimpy little thing about Tiel's size"<
Damn Steve, and you say I stir the pot...!
Can you imagine the clusterfuck that will ensue when Paul dies? I know most Bukti people think that he's immortal, but it's bound to happen someday.
The Bukti people will figure out who is in charge of their group. Some of them will break out of their shell and mend fences with other people in the Silat community. And most of us will just keep on with what we're doing and not notice the change.
bobbe(k)-
I know what I would love you to share with us in March! You have been asking and asking, well now I know! Serak! I know that you will love to spend the weekend going over it and over it until we see the light.
Jay(k)
I love these he flame wars when they pop up. I just can't get it out of my head a person would bad mouth Pa then try to be taken seriously. I missed an opportunity to train with him just prior to the accident and I regret it to this day.
Steve Perry said...
(And Irene is one of ours, been training in silat for at least the last year or so? She and Edwin started at the same time. I dunno if you met her last time you were down. Shrimpy little thing about Tiel's size ...)
'shrimpy little thing' (shakes head) I always figure bravery and foolishness are very close. Thankfully, from the masterful pen of mr. Perry comes this clarification.
Irene and I started studying under guru Plinck December 2006.
I'm just curious, Bobbe, as one lover of Belgian ales to another (and, you're wrong, by the way: Duvel's the best of 'em all), why do you care about the opinion of you of people whose opinion you don't care about? I found that when people really piss me of, that waiting three days before considering responding, and having a Duvel each day, works wonders.
Everyone who knows you, knows what you're about and what you can do.
Thank God for people like Guru PLinck & Guru Stewart who are outside of the PDT ASSoC BS and actually can use their art and are not bound by it either. Growth and evolution are good things.
I have been slammed time & time & time again by these trolls...but it is OK I guess if I was them I would be mad that my teacher actually didn't put me through a subsystem to learn their "SERAK" . So I guess its like this they are mad I lost my virginity WAY before they did... OH WELL.....
I can imagine it also hurts to know there is no actual facts to their stories just hidden nonsense.
Interesting that when folks see what we do they say wow looks Indonesian sera or cimande....people see bukti trolls move they say wow looks CHINESE : ) or wing chun with out the dummy training.
TRUTH Hurts.
Things will get worse and more exposed as more folks bring back more truth from Java as time goes on.
>” why do you care about the opinion of you of people whose opinion you don't care about?”<
That could NOT have been an easy thing to type…It took me a second to figure it out.
Well, that’s a good question Edwin. Mostly, I’m still a young idiot who feels he has to stand up to every bully that beats his chest. I still look at this whole thing wondering how the hell I managed to end up in it after I avoided it for so many years. I get on these rage-kicks whenever I feel someone has slighted me, and to drag my teacher into it was juvenile. But I fired back in anger, and now the flame war has moved location to my backlot studio.
>” Everyone who knows you, knows what you're about and what you can do.”<
This was probably meant to boost me, but upon reflection it kinda makes me ashamed I jumped into the whole mess. I suppose I could have just deleted the comments and ignored everyone who hates what I do…Ironically, the only ones come from the Bukti camp, so here we are back at the original question; Why do I give a rip? I don’t know. Now that I’ve calmed down a bit, I wonder if I should just let it go, tread water here, attack them some more…What? Probably, I’ll stop and let this go, it’s interfered with life enough. I didn’t get any writing done these past two days, just so I could publish that Serak rant, so there’s some time I won’t get back. I don’t know if I want to pay in that kind of currency.
Edwin, if I might offer you some advice…Duvel is indeed good beer, a fine brew for the kid’s table. But once your tastes have matured and mouth has been blessed to receive a dram of the holy Chimay Blue…I’m sorry, words just fail me. The clouds will part. The planets will align and Heaven will shine down upon you and you will be enlightened. Oh, I realize you think you understand the way of the Brew, just because you have been fortunate enough to adorn yourself with the pinnacle of beers, the Belgian. But you must explore the dark side, young red-eye.
But don’t worry. If I can convert stubborn, set-in-his-ways-with-cement Perry of the One True Path, I can certainly induce an open minded intelligent man such as yourself.
Someone with enough wisdom not to refer to Irene as “Shrimpy”. Short women are testicle-shot level, in case you missed it.
Well, it's easy for me to understand why you get into these frays, Kid -- you've pickled your brain with that Nazi/Waffle Country goat pee. It's a wonder you can remember how to tie your shoes. When you can find them. When you can remember you are supposed to wear them ...
Best bubbly drink to come out of a monkery was from Dom Pierre Pérignon, a Benedictine, who, in the Seventeen Century, came up with an improved version of champagne, at the Abby of Hautvillers. It had been around a while, but he figured out how to blend grapes better. (And he didn't intend for it to sparkle, he was looking for white wine.)
Stuff named after him isn't even the best these days, though it costs more than beer. Good champagne is a gift of the gods. In a pinch, that stale beer of yours can be used to clean the chrome on your car's bumper ...
Bobbe Edmonds said...
Oh, you beer heathen. I got Chimay Grande Reserve, Chimay Primiere, and Chimay Cinq Cents here. There's also some others floating about (Cuvee Mystique, Cuvee Euphrique, Angelique, and Lunatique), but really, I just drink those to appreciate getting back to Duvel.
I did explore the dark side, light side, and the gutters of Belgian beer on some lengthy stays in Brussels. I guess it is the juice I put away in the company of the Duvel brewmaster that got to me at a tender age and warped me for life.
I'll be happy to have you try and convert me, as long as it involves trying to remove any and all Belgian beers from a suitable establishment, but I suspect the attempt shall remain fruitless.
"I didn’t get any writing done these past two days, just so I could publish that Serak rant, so there’s some time I won’t get back. I don’t know if I want to pay in that kind of currency"
Ah, so there is hope for you.
One of the more insightful things you've said ;-)
That's right, they're stealing time (and passion) from you. You can never get that time back. That makes them thieves. How would you treat a thief?
Ironically, this concept was attributed to Bruce Lee by Joe Hyams.
A few thoughts...
Irene and Tiel are at testicle-punching height for most of us. On Perry or Edwin they have to do jumping high kicks to hit the yam-basket. But Irene has TKD training, so she has the high kicks. Tiel knows where Cotten keeps the long-handled shovel. If I were you Steve I'd delete the post or wear a cup and stay far away from the space heater for the next few weeks.
Gurus Plinck and Stewart have always given real respect and honor to their teacher even when it was not returned. And they won't bad mouth him even when they were treated very shabbily. That's one of the marks of a real gentleman who understands adab.
According the Guru Plinck, Pendekar Paul added the "k" to the end of "Sera" to jazz up the name. He has chosen to drop it and go back to the name as it was when he originally learned it. I just like to make your life more difficult, Bobbe :)
Duvel and Chimay are both excellent. I'm partial to Bocks and Doppelbocks myself. The very best beer needs a knife and fork.
Irene? You take the left kneecap. I'll take the right.
And in all these things, you need to remember the cardinal rule for deciding how much energy to spend on it:
*Consider the source.*
Go to the zoo, sometimes the monkeys will fling a handful of ... monkey mud at you. It's what they do, and you wouldn't load up your hands and get into a sling-out with them,'twould be pointless, not to speak of messy.
Duck, laugh, and leave them in their cage. You get to walk free, they don't.
Karma waits, Kid. Let them stew in their own juices, that's pretty much all they have left.
Listen to kindly old Steve here. You'll sleep better, and you'll have more time for important things, like trying to find cheaper prices on that rat's urine brew you fancy ...
Okay, I've changed my shirt and am now becoming the owner of a bar. Drinks are on me.
A few more hate-O-grams passed between me & the Bukti Boys, and as per their M.O. the cried me a river about how whoever posted all the original crap on MY account "wasn't part of their group".
Yeah, whatever. I returned as many negative posts on their accounts as they had on mine, and STARTED to do something even worse...I didn't finish it, but my hands are still shaking from mischief deterred.
I want to thank everybody for giving me such good advice and counsel before I alienated all of you by doing something irreparable. I don't know how I managed to corral this support group, but I'm a man who counts his blessings. So thanks, all of you.
I want to point out that a few of you seem to be in need of my help now. I'm only too happy to oblige.
1: Edwin - You have some minimum skill in beers, but your edumacation is sorely lacking. Haul your tasteless ass up to Seattle some weekend and I will complete your training. The Emperor has foreseen it. Join me, and together we'll...have a beer.
2: Steve-VH (I always think of you as "Steve, Virtual Harn" when I see VH. It's an I.T. thing.) - Thanks for the compliment, but you are wrong: There is no hope for me. I'm pretty much gonna burn, burn, burn.
3: Todd Ellner - Dopplebock Celebrator is one of the finest brews ever to come out of Der Fatherland. I have always believed the "K" was added by the D's, and I wish I could have found a way to show my contempt this week without dissing Guru's Steve and Cliff in the process. Maybe one day I will possess that kind of restraint.
...Yeah, right, and one day I'll schtupp Asia Argento while I'm at it!
4: Tiel - Dividing kneecaps beats the hell out of dividing other...Tender bits.
5: The Old Man - "kindly old Steve"??!? You'll have to introduce me!
Seriously, you're right, and I should have listened earlier. But I'm listening now.
Also, to those who knew: The crisis is over. As of today I have a job again. Dammit all anyway...
You know what I too have had it with their bullshit and their want to cyber bully folks. Karma always is a bitch. The only reason I do not further ruin their reputation and post horrid footage of Danny H and the rest of the BOOTY NEGARA is because I have too much respect for Guru Cliff & Guru Plinck.
But Buddha forgive me BUT it would be funny to put up the footage of Guru plinck Slammin Danny H to the floor in a heart beat at one of the Bukti summer camps or footage where cliff makes Tim Anderson cry or gives Danny h a K.O. or when PDT asks cliff please do not spar with the group anymore sit out cause you hurt everybody or when PDT in front of victor says Guru Plinck is the head of Sera, or when PDT in the Sera class says Cliff is a real master or better yet when Dr. Gyi says to PDT Cliff doesn't need to do or learn all this stuff he already is the real deal. ..............If they really piss me off I just might have to post such footage. But again I have too much respect for Guru Plinck & Guru Cliff.
peace
santi
Hey congrats on the job (if they are appropriate). More server wrangling and network wrestling for you?
Congrats on the job Brother!
(only meant partially sarcastic)
As far as the Buckteeth Boys, ignore them from now on. The only way they grow is with their own dung. All the crap we can all feed them will not do anything to better them.
Miss you man.
T
Congratulations, Bobbe. In honor, I shall break down and drink a bottle of Chimay Grande Reserve. Cheers.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Nvb4NN9ctQA
i am gonna quit now that i have seen true masters...
To put it another way...
"Never wrassle with a pig. You get dirty, and the pig enjoys it."
>"Essentially, there was Sera, which was shaded into Serak, which up here in the Great Northwest woods, has been further developed into Plinck-style Sera. Even though Stevan won't say so, I will: From what I've seen of the mother and grandmother arts, the child is more robust and capable."<
I wanted to comment on this, as I have been thinking of it since you posted it. I DO believe the current iterations are keeping exactly with what the traditions meant them to: Evolve and adapt with changing times and the influx of new information. Having seen various components of it, some stuff I agree with and some I don't, but no matter the point of view it HAS evolved into more than it was.
The human element, on the other hand seems to be slipping into de-evolution. As if this moment in timespace was the pinnacle of achievement for Sera(K). Lately I've been introduced to some serious throwdown from the Cliff Stewart side of things via Santiago, and I have to say; If this art has a future, it will only be with Plinck and Stewart.
Speaking of which...You know how people say things like "I wouldn't want to meet him in an alley alone at night"?
Fuck that. I wouldn't want to meet Guiru Cliff in broad daylight with a brigade of ninja mercenaries backing me up unless I had some sort of mortar bombardment support.
...Sorry "GURU" Cliff.
It's late, and I have had a Chimay. Gimme a break.
3 guys once tried to hijack a boat he was protecting for a Sheik. He broke one guys arm and the others he severely messed up and left unconscious. All 3 ended up overboard on the Mediterranean. These people had the "criminal Mindset" and he still had no problem. This is just one of many actual incidents Guru Cliff has dealt with. I am glad I am on his good side!
"Irene? You take the left kneecap. I'll take the right."
Nah, I'm tolerant of cracks like that from the gimp. Man his age, the senility starts to set in, you just kinda have to shrug and recognize that he likely doesn't realize what he's saying any more.
And yes, Bobbe, we met at Guru Plinck's workshop last summer.
Bobbe,
There is strange contradictions among these people. I've heard some of them tell me that there are no pendekars in sera(k). Then, people started calling Paul one. I was confused.
Unfortunately, I think the most damning aspect of these ridiculous people is there collective ego. There camp has a lot of good fighter, but they are mostly inhibited by the ego that stands in the way of their skills.
I do not tell this story often, but I kicked someone's ass one time who was a staunch member of the bukti-serak-dt-maharajasuperguru camp. He was far more experienced than I was. However, after I floored at the beginning of the fight, he got up pissed off. His ego was temporarily crushed. After that, I owned him.
These enterthebukti people could probably be better at what they do if they shut up for a while and work on themselves before working on other people.
Bobbe, I am happy that you are showing the world their behavior on your blog. These people are disgusting. They are enemies of the art they claim to perpetuate.
If any of them are reading this, please send me some of your hate mail as well. I am still on break from school and I have the time to laugh and simple minded schmucks like you. wells.923@osu.edu -- Give it to me.
Again, good work Bobbe.
>"Nah, I'm tolerant of cracks like that from the gimp."<
She called you a GIMP!!
Bwahahahahahaha!
You guys could be a sitcom: "The Shrimp and the Gimp: Using their Silat powers to fight the neighborhood pimp!"
If the writer's strike lasts much longer, I could probably push it through...
A little red wine, Gnocchi w/meat sauce, a lot of garlic and a good listen to the new Meshuggah Album has put me in good spirits again. I just remembered I have no reason to get upset at these folks again ever in my life...I do not have to go through their bullshit hoops or subsystems to learn actual Sera + plus I get it with a much more evolved perspective from 2 of the best that ever came out of that whole mess. And honestly in my book NO ONE from that mess even comes close to moving like Guru Plinck & Guru Stewart.
Peace
Santi
Yeah, gimpy, but still able to recognize that somebody who can't ride the Matterhorn cars at Disneyland 'cause they ain't tall as the minimum-height sign is a shrimp.
Or, dwarf, midget, little person, runt, like that ...
>>>>>>>>I do not have to go through their bullshit hoops or subsystems to learn actual Sera + plus I get it with a much more evolved perspective from 2 of the best that ever came out of that whole mess. And honestly in my book NO ONE from that mess even comes close to moving like Guru Plinck & Guru Stewart.>>>>>>>>>
You're not the only one happy about that, Santi! ^_^
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